Posts by just n from bethel

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Got the new dvd

by twinkle toes in

well, i was just given the new dvd from the convention and i am trying to figure out if i should watch it or not.

on one hand i enjoy uncovering the hypocrisy, it's a good reminder as to why i am faded away.. on the other hand i dont know if i should waste my time watching crap.. thoughts?.

tt.

just n from bethel

What was that one video?... - Heritage? - that would be so awesome to see on MST3K.

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Bane admits that Christians are to abstain from "eating blood".

by moshe in

from an earlier topic-.

"moshe, ready for another biblical smackdown?.

christians.

You're in the ER - the doc highly recommends a transfusion, and the only blood or blood fractions available are from Bane (forget for a moment the he wouldn't donate - let's pretend he just died and his blood is good to go) - what do you do?

Now there's the real dilemma.

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Got the new dvd

by twinkle toes in

well, i was just given the new dvd from the convention and i am trying to figure out if i should watch it or not.

on one hand i enjoy uncovering the hypocrisy, it's a good reminder as to why i am faded away.. on the other hand i dont know if i should waste my time watching crap.. thoughts?.

tt.

just n from bethel

watch it - but give it the Myster Science 3000 treatment.

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For Terry - So That it Will "Make Sense"

by Perry in

terry, since you have long proclaimed your inability to comprehend the greatest expression of love in the universe, substitutionary atonement; perhaps this scene from the last of the mohicans will help you to understand.. the chief has just handed down a death sentence to the brunette daughter of the captured english general.

the english officer in this scene can speak both english and french.

since daniel day lewis can only speak mohican and english, and the cheif can only speak huron and french, the captured english officer must translate to the chief in french.

just n from bethel

does this work

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For Terry - So That it Will "Make Sense"

by Perry in

terry, since you have long proclaimed your inability to comprehend the greatest expression of love in the universe, substitutionary atonement; perhaps this scene from the last of the mohicans will help you to understand.. the chief has just handed down a death sentence to the brunette daughter of the captured english general.

the english officer in this scene can speak both english and french.

since daniel day lewis can only speak mohican and english, and the cheif can only speak huron and french, the captured english officer must translate to the chief in french.

just n from bethel

guess not

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For Perry: There was no global flood, so stop looking for Noah's Ark

by BurnTheShips in

forget about noahs ark; there was no worldwide flood.

many people have contacted me about the recent claims by a group called noahs ark ministries international.1 the evangelical organization claims to have discovered noahs ark.2 i have responded on several occasions to these dubious claims on my blog.3 and still, this group has stood behind their claim,4 insisting that what they have found is real based largely on the belief that because the bible says the flood and the ark are historical, it must be so.

so, instead of addressing their spurious claims yet again, i thought i would approach the issue from a different angle: forget about noahs ark; there was no world-wide flood.. the worldwide flood described in genesis 6-9 is not historical, but rather a combination of at least two flood stories, both of which descended from earlier mesopotamian flood narratives.

just n from bethel

"A very real possibility was that the animals Noah put in the Ark were not full grown."

I have no response other than this link: http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/104295/?searchterm=With+Apologies+to+Jesse+Jackson

I'm Cartman and Perry is David.

Sorry I can't embed.

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For Terry - So That it Will "Make Sense"

by Perry in

terry, since you have long proclaimed your inability to comprehend the greatest expression of love in the universe, substitutionary atonement; perhaps this scene from the last of the mohicans will help you to understand.. the chief has just handed down a death sentence to the brunette daughter of the captured english general.

the english officer in this scene can speak both english and french.

since daniel day lewis can only speak mohican and english, and the cheif can only speak huron and french, the captured english officer must translate to the chief in french.

just n from bethel

sorry - couldn't figure out how to embed - link is still clickable though.

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For Terry - So That it Will "Make Sense"

by Perry in

terry, since you have long proclaimed your inability to comprehend the greatest expression of love in the universe, substitutionary atonement; perhaps this scene from the last of the mohicans will help you to understand.. the chief has just handed down a death sentence to the brunette daughter of the captured english general.

the english officer in this scene can speak both english and french.

since daniel day lewis can only speak mohican and english, and the cheif can only speak huron and french, the captured english officer must translate to the chief in french.

just n from bethel

"God died vicariously for ALL"

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For Perry: There was no global flood, so stop looking for Noah's Ark

by BurnTheShips in

forget about noahs ark; there was no worldwide flood.

many people have contacted me about the recent claims by a group called noahs ark ministries international.1 the evangelical organization claims to have discovered noahs ark.2 i have responded on several occasions to these dubious claims on my blog.3 and still, this group has stood behind their claim,4 insisting that what they have found is real based largely on the belief that because the bible says the flood and the ark are historical, it must be so.

so, instead of addressing their spurious claims yet again, i thought i would approach the issue from a different angle: forget about noahs ark; there was no world-wide flood.. the worldwide flood described in genesis 6-9 is not historical, but rather a combination of at least two flood stories, both of which descended from earlier mesopotamian flood narratives.

just n from bethel

"Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation."

Here is the rule for writing an irrefutable prophecy.

1) Make Outlandish claim about the future

2) Make another claim that people won't believe your first claim.

3) Sit back and observe followers proclaim "ha ha! see - you're not believing - so this must be true!"

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Need help fact checking public talk at the DC

by just n from bethel in

i have taken the time to transcribe part of the public talk given at the dc.

it was interesting because it basically said the witnesses used the bible to fortell the fall of the axis powers in wwii.

now when i first heard the speaker say it - my ears perked up.

just n from bethel

Ok so I found one interesting item: It's a Brochure that's basically a reprint of a talk by Rutherford from 1941. It's titled: "End of Axis Powers: Comfort All that Mourn".

The title lends itself for some to believe that JWs did proclaim that the Axis Powers would lose - and in a sense they did. But if you read the whole printed booklet - it basically says that Axis Powers are King of North and the Allied Forces (democratic) are King of the South and both would lose to Theocracy. There is no mention of Revelation 17 with any claim that Anglo American Power would prevail. There is also no mention here that the the UN would rise again.

Again the year is 1941 and Rutherford is only observing what is going on around the world from his viewpoint. His labeling and Categorizing things as world powers left out any mention of major nations with their own struggles like India and China, Middle East, and Africa where few had heard of JWs idea of theocracy. His rhetoric was still anti-big business/anti religious-meddling. All in all, his speech and this subsequent booklet, might as well have been named 'Axis Powers will lose and So will Allied Forces'. Nothing here whatsover that says Anglo America would come out on top.

axis Powers

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Anyway this next bit is what I see as a cop out:

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So in essence The End of the Axis Powers was lumped in with all the other Kingdoms to be destroyed at Armageddon - nothing specific here about who would come out Victor in WWII - according to this talk and booklet - neither the Axis Powers nor the Allied forces would win.

The only clear prediction I see is that every gov't loses and Armageddon would be coming at the end of the WWII struggle seen at the time as King of North vs King of South. This is not what happened though - so chalk this one up as another prediction that utterly failed.

My search continues - though. I'm sure there are references that back up the talk JWs gave to the public. I'll see if I can find that "Peace can it Last" booklet.